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We're taking back the APA

Zhiyi

124 day(s) ago

Well, this is a start.

http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2017/06/good-news-from-the-eastern-division-apa-elections.html

Next step: defund most pointless diversity initiatives and go back to working for the advancement of philosophy.

Marcion

124 day(s) ago

So, which of these newly elected office-holders will have a say in which projects get funded?

Where exactly is the right place to focus?

This forum could be a reasonable place to organize.

Eugen

124 day(s) ago

I'd start by firing the non-philosopher executive director. Her background is in gender studies, and it shows in her priorities.

Stanley

124 day(s) ago

I'd start by firing the non-philosopher executive director. Her background is in gender studies, and it shows in her priorities.

Eugen

Do you even remember how shitty the APA was before Ferrer?

Roderick

124 day(s) ago

I'd rather the APA be ineffective in pursuit of genuinely advancing the aims of philosophy rather than effective in pursuit of SJWism.

Valentin

124 day(s) ago

I guess I'm with Stanley on this.

Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I feel like there must be a way for the APA to be effective and also pursue legitimate, desirable goals.

AF doesn't make funding decisions, anyway, does she? So who does?

Geraud

120 day(s) ago

The APA is best if it's effective and serves philosophy.

It is worst if it's effective and serves the SJW takeover of philosophy and its transformation into a typical humanity.

It is 'meh' if it's ineffective but at least tries to serve philosophy.

I liked it more when it was 'meh' than today.

Emanuel

120 day(s) ago

I guess we have to read our bylaws and start attending division meetings! :)

This would be a good place to make sure at least one of us is going to each one.

And yes, choosing a different president than Ferrer is a no-brainer. It should be obvious. This is a professional organization whose purpose is to promote the profession and facilitate the work of its members. Ferrer has never been a philosophy professor or even a philosophy student. Nor are her concerns those of the majority of those in the profession. Nor are most of her concerns even relevant to the existential threat(s) facing philosophy departments and individual philosophers across the country. She has a background as a political agitator and organizer, and she has come into this position in order, as far as her initiatives and policies show, to radically transform our profession in her image, regardless of the cost of her neglect of attending to other issues.

More generally, devoted feminists in philosophy (or running the APA while not even being in philosophy) are not in the same boat as the great majority of us. If the ship goes down, we sink and they migrate to gender studies. Seen with that in mind, their behavior in trashing our reputation to the benefit of their ideology is easy to understand.

Geraud

120 day(s) ago

Nor are most of her concerns even relevant to the existential threat(s) facing philosophy departments and individual philosophers across the country. She has a background as a political agitator and organizer, and she has come into this position in order, as far as her initiatives and policies show, to radically transform our profession in her image, regardless of the cost of her neglect of attending to other issues.

More generally, devoted feminists in philosophy (or running the APA while not even being in philosophy) are not in the same boat as the great majority of us. If the ship goes down, we sink and they migrate to gender studies. Seen with that in mind, their behavior in trashing our reputation to the benefit of their ideology is easy to understand.

This passage should have its own thread.

Octave

22 day(s) ago

The APA has a system for online submissions of nominations. Who shoud we nominate/support for at-large member of the Board of Officers?

There's also a few committees looking for members.

nominations.apaonline.org/

Augustine

22 day(s) ago

Philippe Lemoine

August

22 day(s) ago

Yes, what a great idea!

Anton

22 day(s) ago

Philippe Lemoine

Augustine

Seconded. I’m serious.

Alice

21 day(s) ago

We should write to him.

Georges

21 day(s) ago

I don't want to derail this effort in any way...but I wonder whether we ought to also at least consider the possibility of starting a different professional organization. Easy to say when you have no idea how difficult such a thing might be...but I'm not convinced that it would be more difficult than retrieving the APA from the politicizers. There are other options, too...but, again, I'm just throwing this out there.

I also wonder whether--even if it's not possible to take back the APA sooner than later--we might be able to get most members to see that there is something unreasonable about requiring membership and dues for an organization that has become pretty blatantly politicized and philosophically biased. Perhaps we could get something like conscientious objector status to allow people who object to the APA's recent turn to still be able to attend the meetings...at least for the purposes of interviews. Or perhaps to have some official dissenter status...perhaps at least with respect to however many of those codes of conduct / "best" practices micromanagement manuals we're ultimately going to be subject to...

Anyway, even if we can't right the ship, we can always jump it.

Yehuda

21 day(s) ago

Let it rot.

Helmut

21 day(s) ago

Let's try to fix it first. If we set up another one and we don't pay attention to it, it will get taken over by fanatics too. The price of keeping the fanatics at bay is continued vigilance from the side of the moderates.

Gadadhara

19 day(s) ago

Let's try to fix it first. If we set up another one and we don't pay attention to it, it will get taken over by fanatics too. The price of keeping the fanatics at bay is continued vigilance from the side of the moderates.

Helmut

I am Georges and I endorse this idea.

Absolutely try to fix it first. I really just want to point out that it's not our only option. If fixing the old thing starts looking infeasible, making a new thing might at some point become the more reasonable option.

Uriel

11 day(s) ago

Here's a thought.

People could post, here, suggestions for what Board members might actually do, if they want to represent (what we presume to be) the quiet majority rather than the vocal SJW sector of the APA.

What concrete steps could be taken? I believe there are sympathetic Board members who might be interested in good ideas.

Valentinius

11 day(s) ago

- defund most idpol/diversity stuff

- give attention to accurate studies of causes of gender differences etc

- promote philosophy instead of shaming it in the news at every opportunity

- isolate SPEP idiots instead of letting them take over the APA

Origen

11 day(s) ago

The mission of the APA should be the promotion of philosophy. Full stop. It is not "promoting diversity." It is not "promoting x school of thought." It is not "encouraging favored group y to become philosophers." It is not "writing petitions on the political issue of the week."

Get the public to see the value of what we do, why it's cool, useful, interesting, enlightening, helpful, intriguing, whatever. Make sure universities grasp that philosophy is mission-critical, that without it they aren't truly a university. Help us convince state legislatures that philosophy is so valuable that they need to keep funding it.


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