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Examples of Double Standards?

Yohanan

9 day(s) ago

We're all aware of the existence of double standards, but only two immediately come to my mind (and they both relate to sexual mores).

1) Men and women are judged differently for their sexual behavior - apparently its ideal for men to sleep with as many women as possible, but abhorrent for women to sleep with many men (so can the men sleep with then)?

2) Women are encouraged to be bi sexually curious (usually for male gratification) but its definitely not OK for men to publicly acknowledge the possibility of their bi sexuality. I Kissed a Girl made Kate Perry's career, but can anyone imagine (say) Kendrick Lamar rapping about I Kissed a Boy? See Cupkake's Crayons for a comment on this double standard.

So my question is: what other double standards are there, and what does the doubling of standards signify exactly?

Tadeusz

9 day(s) ago

3). Woman walking up to male stranger and touching him without explicit verbal consent: okay

Man walking up to female stranger and touching her without explicit verbal consent: not okay

Edmund

9 day(s) ago

4) A 27 year old is allowed to vote, but a 7 year old isn't.

Aristo

9 day(s) ago

My dog can take a dump in public everyday and nobody yells at him. But I do it just once and people act like it's the end of the world.

Uddyotakara

9 day(s) ago

Libertarian, conservative, and Marxist political philosophers are expected to be incredibly careful and charitable when critiquing others; left-liberals are allowed to straw man everyone with impunity.

Alejandro

9 day(s) ago

Libertarian, conservative, and Marxist political philosophers are expected to be incredibly careful and charitable when critiquing others; left-liberals are allowed to straw man everyone with impunity.

Uddyotakara

Couldn't agree more. This is the worst for undergraduate students, who don't fully understand that a double standard is at work.

Diana

9 day(s) ago

Liberals are called Nazis routinely, you moron.

Gilbert

9 day(s) ago

Liberals are called Nazis routinely, you moron.

Diana

Liberal philosophy professors are called "Nazis" by other philosophy professors?

Virgil

9 day(s) ago

The greatest strawmanning in recent history was a liberal, Jordan Peterson, falsely demonized as "alt-right" by a SJW moron Cathy Newman. This is trivial. This is explained by another liberal, Sargon of Akkad, here.

This has been explained hundreds of times over by countless other liberals: Dave Rubin, Jon Haidt, etc.

There are almost no "liberal" philosophy professors. Name one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXJeghw-cRk

Uddyotakara

9 day(s) ago

Liberals are called Nazis routinely, you moron.

Diana

We're talking about standards inside the academy, for instance, in publication. Nagel can get away with strawmanning Nozick, but if Nozick gets even a trivial piece of Rawls wrong, Freeman will dismiss Nozick's criticisms as irrelevant.

This was obvious to everyone else here except you, because you are either ideological or stupid.

Antoine

9 day(s) ago

No, we're talking about liberals being strawmanned and demonized by SJW loonies.

Gilbert

9 day(s) ago

I hope the RC blog comes back up eventually so that certain obnoxious commenters here can take their uninformed insults elsewhere.

Muhammad

9 day(s) ago

We're talking about standards inside the academy

Uddyotakara

Where liberals are isolated and demonized, usually by social justice warriors.

This is why liberals, like Jon Haidt, Lee Jussim, Lindsay Shepherd, Jordan Peterson, etc., have begun to fight back.

Thrasymachus

9 day(s) ago

A 50 year old man with a wig and a sexual fetish can put on a wig and walk into the women's restroom without batting an eyelid

If an overweight hook-nosed feminist walks into the men's room there will be hell to pay.

Harry

9 day(s) ago

The alliance between feminists and RC types is amusing. It's overweight feminist morons who are shrieking with horror about transwomen in women's restrooms. To anyone of moderate intelligence, this is a non-issue.

Scott

9 day(s) ago

The alliance between feminists and RC types is amusing. It's overweight feminist morons who are shrieking with horror about transwomen in women's restrooms. To anyone of moderate intelligence, this is a non-issue.

Harry

I don't see why it's crazy for women not to want men in the bathroom. But you are a person of moderate intelligence, I presume, and so you shouldn't find it difficult to explain to us.

Antiphon

9 day(s) ago

RC feminist triggered.

Scott

9 day(s) ago

RC feminist triggered.

Antiphon

No, I didn't like RC. I just don't like arrogant, sweeping claims, whether from the right or the left.

Wonchuk

9 day(s) ago

Bullshit.

Women are perfectly happy for transwomen to use restrooms.

It's a small group of hysterical Right wingers & Feminists who are squealing about how much it triggers their emotions.

Scott

9 day(s) ago

Some women are happy with it, many aren't. Clearly the existence of the latter triggers your emotions, though I can't imagine why.

Dignaga

9 day(s) ago

Anti-trans hysteria and moral panic comes from the feminist regressive left and the socially conservative right.

That's your world of extremists. Sensible people oppose both.

Scott

9 day(s) ago

Women who don't want men in their bathroom aren't hysterical, they just want to be able to remove clothing without men seeing. That's utterly reasonable.

Emmanuel

9 day(s) ago

Nope. Transwomen are women.

Social conservatives and feminists hate them because they're trans. Hating people because they're trans is utterly unreasonable, intolerant and illiberal. If you think hating someone because they're trans is "reasonable", provide some kind of evidence or argument. And don't beg questions. Transwomen are women. If you disagree with that, fine. End of debate.

Hayashi

9 day(s) ago

Bullshit.

Women are perfectly happy for transwomen to use restrooms.

It's a small group of hysterical Right wingers & Feminists who are squealing about how much it triggers their emotions.

Wonchuk

It's not really about bathrooms. It's about people with female bodies ever being allowed to define themselves as such and organise as such (whether for privacy, sport, medicine, politics, sexual purposes, etc) , away from people with male bodies. Bathrooms were just chosen as the public site of conflict by the trans lobby because they seem so banal, and already offer some measure of privacy (individual stalls). If it was really about bathrooms, the obvious solution would be to build or repurpose extra facilities, but it's actually about forcing everyone to validate trans gender identities, and to change what it even means to have a "gender".

Hayashi

9 day(s) ago

Nope. Transwomen are women.

Social conservatives and feminists hate them because they're trans. Hating people because they're trans is utterly unreasonable, intolerant and illiberal. If you think hating someone because they're trans is "reasonable", provide some kind of evidence or argument. And don't beg questions. Transwomen are women. If you disagree with that, fine. End of debate.

Emmanuel

Typical SJW hyperbole. Concerns about how changing the definitions of gender terms and concepts will affect people born female = YOU HATE ALL THE TRANS OMG YOU MONSTER.

Scott

9 day(s) ago

Nope. Transwomen are women.

Emmanuel

That's exactly what's in question though. You say "transwomen are women" as if this weren't a contentious matter. Many reasonable people don't agree, and so naturally these people don't want men in the women's bathroom.

I don't believe that "transwomen" are women. If you want me to change the way I talk about it, you're going to have to change my mind about that claim first. Honestly though, it seems like your belief in that claim is pretty emotion- driven, judging by your responses here.

Hayashi

9 day(s) ago

And why is it always and ad nauseam "trans women are women" and not "trans men are men"? It seems as though the trans movement is driven by people with male bodies, in the interests of people with male bodies, and to the detriment of people with female bodies. Funny that!

Feng

9 day(s) ago

It's about people with female bodies ever being allowed to define themselves as such and organise as such (whether for privacy, sport, medicine, politics, sexual purposes, etc) , away from people with male bodies. Bathrooms were just chosen as the public site of conflict by the trans lobby because they seem so banal, and already offer some measure of privacy (individual stalls). If it was really about bathrooms, the obvious solution would be to build or repurpose extra facilities, but it's actually about forcing everyone to validate trans gender identities, and to change what it even means to have a "gender".

Hayashi

So what? Transwomen do have, to some extent, female bodies; and also, significantly, do have female psychological traits. Gender is a spectrum of psychological features and tendencies. It is not coextensive with biological sexual dimorphism. Likewise, sexuality is a spectrum of psychological sexual preferences, and is not coextensive with reproductive sexual dimorphism.

The only people fighting this are anti-trans feminists and anti-trans social conservatives. And whatever happens around various culture wars, both varieties will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Uddyotakara

9 day(s) ago

Are anti-trans feminists anti-trans because making sense of trans identify presupposes that there is some non-arbitrary connection between gender identify and physical sexual characteristics?

Axel

9 day(s) ago

And why is it always and ad nauseam "trans women are women" and not "trans men are men"?

Hayashi

Because anti-trans hysteria is misandrist.

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