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Junior Hire or Dog and Pony?

Petrus

14 day(s) ago

It is no coincidence that Dr. Leiter wrote an article about deceptive hiring practices.

"Here the problem is that a perhaps ethically defensible goal — adding women or racial minorities to the faculty — is in tension with the law, since the law does not permit a department to limit applications to people of a particular gender or race. The process also wastes the time and money of applicants not from the preferred demographic group. The search-committee members in those cases are being asked to violate the law and to lie to others, on behalf of a possibly just cause."

UChicago is in the midst of job talks for a junior hire, whose first candidate was a white male. It is quite clear — for departmental representatives have brazenly, if carelessly, expressed a divisional preference for a woman —that this was a way for Brian to express strong disapproval for a practice which is almost impossible to detect. It can only really be brought to light by someone with access to the inner discussions of the hiring committee.

What kind of person do you think will be hired? We shall see.

Stephen

14 day(s) ago

It's too bad he's not in the philosophy department so that he can bring this little legal tidbit up lol

Meister

14 day(s) ago

we are curious: who are you guys interviewing?

Maine

13 day(s) ago

I've never seen a compelling ethical defense for giving hiring preference to women or racial minorities, or the aim of proportionate representation on the basis of those categories. It isn't clear how any individual under the description of 'woman' or 'racial minority' deserves a placement just on that basis, or what wrong has been done to such a person should they not be hired, or exactly where the injustice lies in having a field of specialists with a demographic makeup that doesn't reflect the population at large.

Philip

13 day(s) ago

I've never seen a compelling ethical defense for giving hiring preference to women or racial minorities, or the aim of proportionate representation on the basis of those categories. It isn't clear how any individual under the description of 'woman' or 'racial minority' deserves a placement just on that basis, or what wrong has been done to such a person should they not be hired, or exactly where the injustice lies in having a field of specialists with a demographic makeup that doesn't reflect the population at large.

Maine

The most plausible explanation is that these minorities/women are predictably mono-political. Due to the rise of identity politics, it is little wonder that these groups immediately satisfy the leftist ideology of hiring committees.

More specifically, Chicago is notoriously hyper left wing. Anton Ford, for example, is an open member of the socialist party. Race is actually a stalking horse for leftism.

Jacopo

13 day(s) ago

The socialist party is certainly a left-wing party, and a fair ways to the left of the Democratic party. But it's not "hyper"-left. You need to reexamine your idea of the political spectrum if that's what you think.

As for your most plausible explanation... It might hold some water where actual votes are concerned, since the US only really has two parties. But I'd bet that any analysis that considered ideas and policy instead would find that they represent a wide range of opinion on policy. It's hardly their fault there are no viable parties attached to those views, and that they have to vote for the closest thing.

Hypatia

12 day(s) ago

Philip isn't entirely wrong, though. During the Obama years, the Democratic party was virtually held together by a coalition of grievances already at a very fine grain, which increased in granularity during his term. Strangely enough, this diversity of stated preferences didn't translate to very much difference of consequence at the political level.

The individual differences may well wash out at the coarser grain of national politics, which is plausible given the marshes of political mire and the Atlas-like weight of administrative bureaucracy.

More cynically, perhaps those differences of ideas and politics don't matter as much as all that in the scheme of things when set against things like the dynamics of tribal loyalties.

Alcmaeon

7 day(s) ago

Here are are the job candidates: Daniel Moerner, Ginger Schultheis, Zeynep Soysal.

One is a token, one of the other two will be hired, unless of course, as usual, there is so much disagreement among the hiring committee that no offer is extended.

Abhinavagupta

7 day(s) ago

Here are are the job candidates: Daniel Moerner, Ginger Schultheis, Zeynep Soysal.

One is a token, one of the other two will be hired, unless of course, as usual, there is so much disagreement among the hiring committee that no offer is extended.

Alcmaeon

Isn't another candidate at Chicago Zoe Johnson-King? Or was she giving a non-job-talk talk? Hard to tell from Chicago's website.

Anaximander

6 day(s) ago

Here are are the job candidates: Daniel Moerner, Ginger Schultheis, Zeynep Soysal.

One is a token, one of the other two will be hired, unless of course, as usual, there is so much disagreement among the hiring committee that no offer is extended.

Alcmaeon

Isn't another candidate at Chicago Zoe Johnson-King? Or was she giving a non-job-talk talk? Hard to tell from Chicago's website.

Abhinavagupta

Not that I know of. But if so, 3/4 candidates are female.

Adi

6 day(s) ago

I don’t know if one is a token, but he’s behind the others in career development. Glad to see someone capable of explaining why Spinoza doesn’t have a ‘modal metaphysics’. Could be a good hire but the two women look interesting and have some high-level pubs

Anaximander

6 day(s) ago

He is a token, not on the merits, but on the likely supposition that this is a search determined to find a woman. I don't think anyone considers him an inferior philosopher.

Aristippus

4 day(s) ago

This might be the thread that people are trying to hide.

Avital

4 day(s) ago

Yes, you're right.

Juliet

3 day(s) ago

I am pretty disappointed that Brain Leather has not said anything about this opening's hidden search criteria. I am beginning to suspect that Brain is a recent, and temporary convert to utilitarianism: the ends of minority hiring compared to the means of deceiving a privileged "mediocre white male.' They invited a 26 yo white man as a parade to merit, as if this spot were anything but a woman's. The whole ancient side of Chicago is all female, so I suppose the committee has no qualms about now pursuing women for all new hires. Perhaps the APA has grant money from high cost dues to cover flyouts for "minority or female candidates" for situations such as these.

Sir

3 day(s) ago

Ginger has publications in Mind and Phil Review.

T'ang

2 day(s) ago

Here are are the job candidates: Daniel Moerner, Ginger Schultheis, Zeynep Soysal.

One is a token, one of the other two will be hired, unless of course, as usual, there is so much disagreement among the hiring committee that no offer is extended.

Alcmaeon

Isn't another candidate at Chicago Zoe Johnson-King? Or was she giving a non-job-talk talk? Hard to tell from Chicago's website.

Abhinavagupta

yes she's a candidate too

Bertolt

23 hour(s) ago

Daniel Moerner, Ginger Schultheis, Zeynep Soysal, Zoe Johnson-King



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