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Reneging on job offer

Debendranath

19 day(s) ago

Hello philosophers. I have a question. It seems that this year many schools have gone straight to campus visits. Perhaps this is an effort to "lock down" a desired candidate. One effect of this (which of course occurs more generally) is that a candidate may find himself having accepted an offer from school A only to subsequently receive an offer from school B, which he prefers to A. In such a circumstance, is there any reason for the candidate not to just accept the offer from B and tell A he's changed his mind?

It seems to me not. After all, he is violating no contract. And the university will not hesitate to end his employment when it is no longer in its interest to continue it. And such an action would improve the bargaining position of candidates generally.

Thank you for your interest in my question.

Themistius

19 day(s) ago

This is not a serious question

Leonard

19 day(s) ago

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2017/02/15/first-woman-president-carroll-university-withdraws-acceptance-job/97970088/

Rosi

19 day(s) ago

This is not a serious question

Themistius

Shut up nigger.

Elijah

Hi, Brian

Rosi

19 day(s) ago

Notice how almost immediately after the comment above was posted here in the thread, someone is complaining in the moderation thread about the blog. Coincidence? Of course not! We've seen this before. The thing that blows my mind is that those who try to poison the well actually think they're going to get anyone to fall for it. Sad.

Rosi

19 day(s) ago

Putting in that work for you alphabet agency, eh?

Rosi

19 day(s) ago

It's good to know that the gatekeepers are worried. And so we here we are: deploy the trolls!

Catherine

19 day(s) ago

I posted the "nigger" complaint--I did not create the original post. I grew up in a hateful South--and outgrew it.

Seriously, without moderation this blog has no purpose but to promote the worst side of not just philosophy, but the internet.

Either moderate, or shut down. What is to be achieved otherwise?

Stephen

6.5/10

You people are relentless. It just kills you to know there is one place left in this profession where people can speak their minds without having to worry about being punished for it?

Elijah

19 day(s) ago

Terrible post, terrible poster.

Pasquale

18 day(s) ago

I took a job and then didn't take a campus visit for a job I would have liked more and would have likely gotten for reasons I won't go into here. I regret it to this day, 14 years later. It is *very* difficult to move once you have a job. If you do have the luxury of multiple offers, then use that advantage the one time you have it. The department you turn down after accepting will be just fine. They will find another faculty member. They will be irritated, but they will get over it and in the long run most likely like the person they picked second. "Fit" will be all the talk about those persons. Just warn your graduate department that there might be some blow back for them. But definitely own it and then do it. It's the only time you will likely have a choice.

The fact is, they can't force you to come work for them. You can quit at any time. So, consider this "quitting" early. They certainly could not retain you during your probationary period and they could definitely not give you tenure. So don't feel compelled if you get an offer you like more.

Emma

18 day(s) ago

I know for a fact that some philosophers are alarmed at the thought that serious discussion of random profession-related topics would migrate to a forum like this. I know this because they tell me this, and they'll do anything to stop it. Like posting disgusting racist screeds and slurs here, to scare away genuinely well intentioned would be forum goers.

To the question: you've got to look out for your own career. Few others will do that for you. Is that worth going back on your word? Sometimes, in my view, yes. I once left a job after x years for another, even though I'd verbally agreed to stay for x + n years. The department I left didn't end up losing the line (fear of losing that line was what motivated the extraction of a promise to stay for x + n years in the first place). Now that some time has passed my old colleagues are friendly with me again. The job I left for is definitely better for me, and I don't regret the decision.

Simone

17 day(s) ago

Notice how almost immediately after the comment above was posted here in the thread, someone is complaining in the moderation thread about the blog. Coincidence? Of course not!

Rosi

wow it's almost like people want moderation after offensive comments are posted

Shadworth

17 day(s) ago

Notice how almost immediately after the comment above was posted here in the thread, someone is complaining in the moderation thread about the blog. Coincidence? Of course not!

Rosi

wow it's almost like people want moderation after offensive comments are posted

Simone

Another silly comment written like a millennial faggot.

It's becoming clearer with each year that the troubles of our profession are at least as much to do with the childlike attitudes of the "adults" entering the field as they are with the university system itself or wider economic realities.

If one writes like this, and thinks like this, they are not producing good philosophy. They are producing garbage; and so we have the garbage that takes implicit bias tests seriously.

Ernest

17 day(s) ago

Right! The people producing the really good philosophy are the ones who call out the faggots!

Nothing says "good philosopher" like calling someone a faggot. I remember when we did an interview last year, one of my colleagues said, "I dunno, he seemed kind of boring." And I said, "Well, yeah, but did you hear how he called one of the Kantians a faggot? He's the real deal, believe me."

It's very impressive, in an interview. It makes you seem... hm, what's the right word? Someone help me out here.

Shadworth

17 day(s) ago

You children have to turn everything into a traumatic psychological episode. It's quite sad.

Daryush

17 day(s) ago

How do you do, fellow kids?

Ptolemy

17 day(s) ago

Another silly comment written like a millennial faggot.

It's becoming clearer with each year that the troubles of our profession are at least as much to do with the childlike attitudes of the "adults" entering the field as they are with the university system itself or wider economic realities.

If one writes like this, and thinks like this, they are not producing good philosophy. They are producing garbage; and so we have the garbage that takes implicit bias tests seriously.

Shadworth

It's ok Shadworth, you're going to die sooner than later (much sooner I imagine you fucking rage monster), than all of us millenials will take over philosophy departments and teach the next generation the way we want. There's no use fighting it. No one's going to remember your shitty contribution to philosophy or the people you admire, because we're just going to stop teaching that crap.

Do you know why? Because you're useless lazy deadwood. You published 1 maybe 2 papers to get a job and now you're languishing and resentful because you're having to hire millenials who actually work hard and pump out more top tier papers to get hired than you did to get tenure

Also, we're going to fuck your son in the ass and turn him gay when he comes to university.

Allama

16 day(s) ago

Writing like a faggot and glorifying ass sex: this is the future of philosophy. That's only marginally less appealing that letting the jigaboo grievance mongers turn it into a twerking contest (a possibility which is already a distinct contender).

Miguel

https://youtu.be/uHf_XlBw4sU?t=10

Han

16 day(s) ago

Writing like a faggot and glorifying ass sex: this is the future of philosophy. That's only marginally less appealing that letting the jigaboo grievance mongers turn it into a twerking contest (a possibility which is already a distinct contender).

Miguel

Die shrieking in a pile of your own waste.

Han

16 day(s) ago

Are you a woman, Han, or an anonymous stew of man-parts and a warped psyche? Oh who cares, it's 2018, you can be a whiny faggot of any of the thousands of gender identities.

Cornelius

Drink the pus of dogs and spit black blood, ratfaced bastard.

Daryush

16 day(s) ago

Are you a woman, Han, or an anonymous stew of man-parts and a warped psyche? Oh who cares, it's 2018, you can be a whiny faggot of any of the thousands of gender identities.

Cornelius

Now this is despair I can enjoy.


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