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The Inquisition is coming for you

Vatsyayana

18 day(s) ago

Gerbert, the reason it is found heinously insulting is because it is thought to be incorrect. It is a "misgendering". It would be the same for any person routinely and institutionally forced to live as a gender they believed they weren't.

What I find odd with prescriptions such as Jeremy's is the idea that we can deliberately use words with different meanings while agreeing to pretend we all mean the same. Trans people and people who agree with trans theories of gender will use pronouns to mean one thing, and people using preferred pronouns who don't agree with the gender theories will use them to mean another: perhaps as sign of their compassion rather than as an expression of a belief about the gender of the people requesting preferred pronouns. I don't really think Jeremy actually means it though: it's an attempt to appeal to emotion instead of metaphysics, instrumental to the longer term goal of changing people's metaphysical conceptions.

Myles

18 day(s) ago

And what is a gender, Hughes? If it's just so important that people be called by the 'right' gender, and gender isn't the same as sex, then what? Please define gender for us without referring to one's sex or one's body, if they're such distinct concepts. And if they aren't, then let's stop talking about gender altogether and talk about sex or stereotypical sex roles.

You've also been very slippery in reply to the 'undermining identity' issue, and have shifted now to talking of insults, which is quite different. One can insult someone without undermining his or her identity. It isn't even clear what undermining someone's identity means.

Let's say I'm six feet tall and you tell me that I'm four feet tall, or ask me what it's like for me to be only four feet tall. I'd think it was weird, but I'd point out that you're factually mistaken. You would not be undermining me. Or let's say some maniac started ranting about people sexually harassing her when they hadn't. She could falsely accuse them and cause them harm, but her doing so wouldn't in itself 'undermine their identity'. It would just be false.

What you seem to be talking about here is a case where people have false beliefs about themselves and could somehow have their identity undermined by having people refer to them correctly. That just seems nutty.

Mikhail

18 day(s) ago

Lindsay Shepherd has started a Twitter page. She has amassed a large following very quickly. She is doing a good job of defending herself from detractors. Worth a scroll or a follow . . . https://twitter.com/newworldhominin?lang=en

Hesiod

17 day(s) ago

Wow! This is terrifying.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/beware-the-modern-day- heretic-hunters/

Julien

17 day(s) ago

OR EVEN REAL

My book, Fraught Intimacies: Non/Monogamy in the Public Sphere (UBC Press, 2015) explores the increased mediation of non-monogamies since the early nineties—in every medium from television, to film, to self-help books, to the Internet—and how such convergent mediation opens these discourses up to societal scrutiny, as well as transformation. By exploring the privileged logics that frame our conceptions of intimacy, I explore the political and cultural implications of how we frame non-monogamy broadly in sexual discourse, as well as how the public sphere presences of three major forms of non-monogamy (adultery, polygamy and polyamory) display a complex relationship with “intimate privilege,” an emergent state in which one’s intimacies are read as viable, ethical or even real.

Morris

17 day(s) ago

^^ Foucauldian neo-Marxism.

Vatsyayana

17 day(s) ago

What I find odd with prescriptions such as Jeremy's is the idea that we can deliberately use words with different meanings while agreeing to pretend we all mean the same. Trans people and people who agree with trans theories of gender will use pronouns to mean one thing, and people using preferred pronouns who don't agree with the gender theories will use them to mean another: perhaps as sign of their compassion rather than as an expression of a belief about the gender of the people requesting preferred pronouns.

Vatsyayana

I have a suspicion I've gone wrong here somehow, but am not sure how. Any suggestions?


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