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Cotton

5 day(s) ago

You seem to be hinting at something specific Petrarch, care to elaborate? It might help me understand what you mean.

Calcidius

5 day(s) ago

An accusation of sexual assault is testimonial evidence.

Ramanuja

But my progressive professors taught me that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable!

Alcmaeon

5 day(s) ago

I wish hypocrites would stop foaming at the mouth with faux outrage about “naming names” when it’s their favourite thing to do to people (especially women and people they claim are feminists). The transparency is laughable.

Ramanuja

We are forced to fight back with similar weapons, but we didn't start it. Besides, what we do is far less destructive than what the SJWs do.

Rudolf

5 day(s) ago

But my progressive professors taught me that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable!

Calcidius

Only when the eyewitnesses are men. Men are automatically liars and are to be disbelieved, no matter how much evidence there is. Those are the rules.

Avital

4 day(s) ago

An accusation of sexual assault is testimonial evidence.

Ramanuja

But my progressive professors taught me that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable!

Calcidius

It can be, it’s still an important form of evidence. But I think “witnessing” things done to our own bodies is pretty reliable.

Avital

4 day(s) ago

An accusation of sexual assault is testimonial evidence.

Ramanuja

But my progressive professors taught me that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable!

Calcidius

It can be, it’s still an important form of evidence. But I think “witnessing” things done to our own bodies is pretty reliable.

Matthew

4 day(s) ago

Metabros: More men choose and excel at philosophy because they have innate dispositions and abilities to do so

Also metabros: More men are accused and found guilty of sexual assault and harassment because women are dishonest or deluded

Mordecai

4 day(s) ago

Metabros: More men choose and excel at philosophy because they have innate dispositions and abilities to do so

Also metabros: More men are accused and found guilty of sexual assault and harassment because women are dishonest or deluded

Matthew

Feminist philosophers: Achieving the utopian goal of gender parity in upper middle class professional fields that women happen to be less interested in is an urgent political goal. Several of the sixty billion animals we're going to torture and kill for food next year will taste pretty good on the cracker plate I'll serve at the next fundraiser I throw to help elect liberal interventionist war criminals with exotic names and/ovaries.

Frans

4 day(s) ago

Reality: many preferences in life are gendered for whatever reason

Also reality: Rolling Stone to pay 1.65 Million to a frat for defamation about an alleged gang rape. Although that's a lot of beer pong, the frat is giving a lot of the money to sexual assault prevention initiatives

Apuleius

4 day(s) ago

The List, according to this site and other public allegations:

McGinn (Miami)

Pogge (Columbia, Yale)

Searle (Berkeley)

Ludlow (Northwestern)

Warfield (Notre Dame)

Barnett (CU Boulder)

Hanna (CU Boulder)

Monton (CU Boulder)

Stanley (Cornell)

Lepore (Rutgers)

Ketland (Oxford)

Hawthorne (Syracuse)

Cross (Yale)

Bealer (Yale)

Honderich (UCL)

McMullen (Notre Dame)

Tye (UT Austin)

Boolos (MIT)

Heck (Brown)

Flanagan (Duke)

Benacerraf (Princeton)

Coleman (Yale)

Jacklin (San Jose State University)

That's 23. Lockwood claimed somewhere a couple of years ago that she knows of allegations against 35. Anyone know who the missing dozen are?

Diana

4 day(s) ago

The List, according to this site and other public allegations:

Stanley (Cornell)

Apuleius

Can you say more about this one?

Matthew

4 day(s) ago

Metabros: More men choose and excel at philosophy because they have innate dispositions and abilities to do so

Also metabros: More men are accused and found guilty of sexual assault and harassment because women are dishonest or deluded

Matthew

Feminist philosophers: Achieving the utopian goal of gender parity in upper middle class professional fields that women happen to be less interested in is an urgent political goal. Several of the sixty billion animals we're going to torture and kill for food next year will taste pretty good on the cracker plate I'll serve at the next fundraiser I throw to help elect liberal interventionist war criminals with exotic names and/ovaries.

Mordecai

Your fallacy is: whataboutism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Martha

4 day(s) ago

Metabros: More men choose and excel at philosophy because they have innate dispositions and abilities to do so

Also metabros: More men are accused and found guilty of sexual assault and harassment because women are dishonest or deluded

Matthew

Feminist philosophers: Achieving the utopian goal of gender parity in upper middle class professional fields that women happen to be less interested in is an urgent political goal. Several of the sixty billion animals we're going to torture and kill for food next year will taste pretty good on the cracker plate I'll serve at the next fundraiser I throw to help elect liberal interventionist war criminals with exotic names and/ovaries.

Mordecai

Your fallacy is: whataboutism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Matthew

You're aiming to tick all the boxes on the shithead checklist aren't you

Nicolai

4 day(s) ago

Metabros: More men choose and excel at philosophy because they have innate dispositions and abilities to do so

Also metabros: More men are accused and found guilty of sexual assault and harassment because women are dishonest or deluded

Matthew

Feminist philosophers: Achieving the utopian goal of gender parity in upper middle class professional fields that women happen to be less interested in is an urgent political goal. Several of the sixty billion animals we're going to torture and kill for food next year will taste pretty good on the cracker plate I'll serve at the next fundraiser I throw to help elect liberal interventionist war criminals with exotic names and/ovaries.

Mordecai

Welcome, proud vegan misogynist.

Matthew

4 day(s) ago

Metabros: More men choose and excel at philosophy because they have innate dispositions and abilities to do so

Also metabros: More men are accused and found guilty of sexual assault and harassment because women are dishonest or deluded

Matthew

Feminist philosophers: Achieving the utopian goal of gender parity in upper middle class professional fields that women happen to be less interested in is an urgent political goal. Several of the sixty billion animals we're going to torture and kill for food next year will taste pretty good on the cracker plate I'll serve at the next fundraiser I throw to help elect liberal interventionist war criminals with exotic names and/ovaries.

Mordecai

Your fallacy is: whataboutism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Matthew

You're aiming to tick all the boxes on the shithead checklist aren't you

Martha

I don't know. What are the criteria for "shithead"?

Christoph

4 day(s) ago

Metabros: More men choose and excel at philosophy because they have innate dispositions and abilities to do so

Also metabros: More men are accused and found guilty of sexual assault and harassment because women are dishonest or deluded

Matthew

Feminist philosophers: Achieving the utopian goal of gender parity in upper middle class professional fields that women happen to be less interested in is an urgent political goal. Several of the sixty billion animals we're going to torture and kill for food next year will taste pretty good on the cracker plate I'll serve at the next fundraiser I throw to help elect liberal interventionist war criminals with exotic names and/ovaries.

Mordecai

Welcome, proud vegan misogynist.

Nicolai

OP here. For the sake of accuracy, you probably should have said "proud vegan dove racist trans-misogynist." What a world, amirite?

Konstantin

4 day(s) ago

Metabros: More men choose and excel at philosophy because they have innate dispositions and abilities to do so

Also metabros: More men are accused and found guilty of sexual assault and harassment because women are dishonest or deluded

Matthew

Feminist philosophers: Achieving the utopian goal of gender parity in upper middle class professional fields that women happen to be less interested in is an urgent political goal. Several of the sixty billion animals we're going to torture and kill for food next year will taste pretty good on the cracker plate I'll serve at the next fundraiser I throw to help elect liberal interventionist war criminals with exotic names and/ovaries.

Mordecai

Your fallacy is: whataboutism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Matthew

You're aiming to tick all the boxes on the shithead checklist aren't you

Martha

I don't know. What are the criteria for "shithead"?

Matthew

Far too many dour fat women are being allowed to post here.

Umberto

4 day(s) ago

Metabros: More men choose and excel at philosophy because they have innate dispositions and abilities to do so

Also metabros: More men are accused and found guilty of sexual assault and harassment because women are dishonest or deluded

Matthew

"Prevalence findings reveal that almost 1 in 10 women have used aggressive strategies to obtain sexual contacts with a man against his will on at least one occasion."

Anderson, Peter B., and Dyan T. Melson. "From deviance to normalcy: Women as sexual aggressors." Electronic Journal of Human Sexuality 5 (2002).

""In Canada and the United States, women use violence in intimate relationships to the same extent as men, for the same reasons, and with largely the same results."

Donald G. Dutton (1 January 2011). Rethinking Domestic Violence. UBC Press. p. ix. ISBN 978-0-7748-5987-5.

If women commit the same amount of aggression as men, but more men are found guilty, what explains that? You have options, but none of them are pretty.

Marko

4 day(s) ago

An accusation of sexual assault is testimonial evidence.

Ramanuja

But my progressive professors taught me that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable!

Calcidius

Really looking for that gotcha moment, huh?

Maybe this style of arguing makes you feel good, it riles up the people who already agree. But it seems unlikely to persuade. And in this case I think it shouldn't persuade. It is very unlikely the person you're responding to denies there is such a thing as testimonial evidence. And not because they believe something stupid like what someone downthread suggests, that there can only be testimonial evidence from women.

Why not instead engage more directly and fairly with the views you think are mistaken?

Vladimir

3 day(s) ago

To get back to the issue about Langton... I don't want to let facts get in the way of a good story, but the following is known to many people.

Lockwood filed a formal complaint about Boolos with MIT several years ago. Various people from the MIT philosophy department assisted her through that process (yes) and so heard many of the details of her story. The MIT investigators found her story implausible, and the people assisting her found the story (literally) incredible, though they assisted her anyway. The story involves coded messages passed back and forth between Lockwood and Boolos using some complicated method involving library books and call numbers; coded messages in Boolos's logic papers (as an earlier poster noted); and so forth. It's a story that many people have heard, in many different versions. Sometimes it's an affair. Other times it's harassment. Other times it's assault. There's a lot more, too, and none of it makes any sense.

MAYBE the reason Langton did what she did was because she had GOOD REASON to doubt Lockwood's story and was not willing to stand by and let a dead man be falsely impugned. Seems like a possibility to me. This isn't Colin fucking McGinn. It's Rae Langton. It's not like she's running around ignoring women's claims about harassment and assault. She's one of the people *who actually knows the whole story here*. All credit to her, as far as I'm concerned, for not just buying Lockwood's version.

Seems like a model worth following.

Alison

3 day(s) ago

Vladimir: thank you for this brief synopsis. I've been wondering what exactly the issue was with Lockwood and Boolos. I didn't know the nature of the complaint, but on the basis of other things I've seen her say in this thread, she is certainly not someone I or anyone else would consider to have reliable judgments about what constitutes sexual harassment, or good judgments about how to behave.

And we now know from Leiter that he has confirmed that it is, indeed, Lockwood who posted these personal details here indiscreetly and with no regard for their ramifications, merely because she felt like doing so, as I had hoped it wouldn't be, and even though the names she named, even by her own description in one of the cases, were not guilty of sexual harassment. Anyone who would do such a thing is living garbage. I am also massively disappointed in Leiter for doing a large part in reducing philosophy even closer to the level of supermarket tabloids. For shame.

Vladimir, since Lockwood has chosen to air her dirty laundry in public and name names, and since she herself has brought the Boolos accusation to public attention, there doesn't appear to be any way for him to avoid a public consideration of his case now. It should never have been that way, but she has made her choice. Boolos, and now also Langton, will suffer if people only hear Lockwood's side of the story. If you could furnish us with more details of Lockwood's allegation against Boolos, ideally with original sources, and/or something to corroborate your claim that the MIT investigators found Lockwood's Boolos story implausible, please post it here. I'd like to see this anti-Boolos case for myself, and I think it would be useful for all of us to see whether Lockwood is any more credible this time before everyone grabs pitchforks and goes in hunt of Boolos and Langton in this idiotic and immoral frenzy.

What sore times philosophy has fallen upon.

Apuleius

3 day(s) ago

"Boolos... will suffer"? Can you explain just exactly how this is supposed to happen? Boolos is dead.

Joane

3 day(s) ago

Vladimir again.

Thanks, Alison. I wish I could offer more detail, but I don't have access to those sorts of sources. I've not seen the original complaint, so I don't know which version of the story it included. And of course I haven't seen the actual report from MIT. But when Lockwood made her accusations about Boolos public, a lot of people who had been his friends were shocked and upset---for different reasons, of course, depending upon whether it was true. I took steps to learn what I could. I can't drag other people into this by saying who I talked to. But they were people in a position to know things. (Sorry, I know that's vague, but, as I said, I'm not dragging others into this, and this will be the last thing I have to say about this.)

As I said, different people seem to have gotten different versions of Lockwood's story. What seems to be true is that, while she was an undergrad at Wellesley, she took some philosophy courses at MIT. (They have some kind of exchange program apparently.) Boolos is said to have found her a very promising student, and he arranged for her to take MIT's 'pro-seminar' her senior year, or maybe just the second semester. She then went to grad school at MIT, where Boolos "took her under his wing". This was quite common with him. He was a great mentor to a lot of students, including a lot of women, who were a pretty lonely bunch at that time. From what I can tell, things did not go well for Lockwood, and she was not at MIT very long.

Lockwood claims that, somewhere in there, something happened. One version is that she had an affair with Boolos, one that was at least nominally consensual (though of course there's the power differential). Other people have been told that he harassed her; other times she's claimed to have been assaulted. One person told me they heard an even worse version, though I'll leave it to your imagination what that might be. (Lockwood's privacy means something here, even if she doesn't think anyone else's does.) Ultimately, she claims to have left MIT because of this harassment and the failure of the department to do anything about it. I've heard a different story about why she "left" from people who were there at the time (not necessarily faculty). But I won't go there, either.

The main thing to appreciate is that Lockwood's story, in all its forms, has a lot of "peculiar" details. The one that seems to have been shared with the most people is the one about coded messages. Apparently, since the affair had to be kept quiet, they needed to communicate secretly. This involved something (again the details vary) involving books at the library. In one version, Boolos would give her these "grids"---poster board or whatever with little rectangles cut out---and then he'd give her a call number for a book, and a page number, and she'd go to the library and lay the grid over the page, and then you can read the secret message. Mmmhmm. She has also told several people that Boolos included coded messages to her in some of his published papers. I never have heard a version of that story that fully made sense to me, though, so I can't really give any more details. Perhaps Lockwood herself could enlighten us.

Quick question: Even waiving the total implausibility of the coded messages stuff, does it make any sense at all in the context of sexual harassment? Sure, it's possible, but is it even remotely plausible that someone who was harassing someone would do it like that?

I'll close by saying that it is well worth reading Nussbaum's recent remarks on the current climate, here: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/law/c-ppl/Inaugural-Lecture-Series/NussbaumReplies-Final.pdf. There's been a complete failure to consider the credibility of sources.

Matthew

3 day(s) ago

I don't know enough about the Boolos story to make a judgment on whether it as least somewhat undermines Lockwood's credibility in regards to her claims about Heck. But the Heck case itself does not sound implausible at all: in fact it sounds totally pedestrian. I don't think the Boolos story, even if the worst accounts of it here are true, undermines Lockwood's claims about Heck. It's entirely possible that it is true that Lockwood is both somewhat unhinged and that Heck sexually molested her.

Matthew

3 day(s) ago

Philosophy as a profession sounds worse and worse by the second. It seems to be almost exhaustively populated by unhinged feminists and their sycophantic virtue seeking allies; groping octopuses; and status conscious, involuntary celibate and bitter metabros.

Pseudo-Longinus

3 day(s) ago

Philosophy as a profession sounds worse and worse by the second. It seems to be almost exhaustively populated by unhinged feminists and their sycophantic virtue seeking allies; groping octopuses; and status conscious, involuntary celibate and bitter metabros.

Matthew

In other words, people.

Blasius

3 day(s) ago

I do not know Heck personally and such an advance might well have happened. As inacceptable as his alleged behaviour is, it sounds more like a drunk teen getting frisky rather than planned predatory behaviour with the underlying sexism (as apparently was the case when Benacceraf made moves on Lloyd).

I think Leiter's attack on Heck because he dared to make valid criticisms of the PGR is more damaging for the profession. Especially since Leiter is the prime suspect in the shit-mailing case. I cannot think of any person other than Leiter that is so vindictive and slave to his emotions. The circumstantial evidence in the mailing case seems to me stronger than some of the allegations we have already heard.

Nishida

3 day(s) ago

Hi Carolyn

Matthew

3 day(s) ago

I do not know Heck personally and such an advance might well have happened. As inacceptable as his alleged behaviour is, it sounds more like a drunk teen getting frisky rather than planned predatory behaviour with the underlying sexism (as apparently was the case when Benacceraf made moves on Lloyd).

I think Leiter's attack on Heck because he dared to make valid criticisms of the PGR is more damaging for the profession. Especially since Leiter is the prime suspect in the shit-mailing case. I cannot think of any person other than Leiter that is so vindictive and slave to his emotions. The circumstantial evidence in the mailing case seems to me stronger than some of the allegations we have already heard.

Blasius

Unplanned molestation is still molestation. First and second degree molestation?

Luitzen

3 day(s) ago

Molestation? Stop it, you fucking idiot. If the story is true, that's a ridiculous description.

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